I don't get it

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura)
04/10/2015 at 22:59 • Filed to: None

I'm very close to getting a good opportunity that could get me out of sales. But it's job that built on a craft, so all my dad sees is manual labor. Remember when men were proud of having sons that did something with their hands instead of sitting behind a desk? Well those days are over.

The job would be for wheel repair btw. I have a guy I used to work with who just helped start a company doing it. It's a huge thing in this area and in the industry as a whole.

DISCUSSION (24)

Captain of the Enterprise > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/10/2015 at 23:07

get after it dude

Snuze: Needs another Swede > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/10/2015 at 23:10

Nothing wrong with that. I grew up doing electrical work for my dad and to be honest, I miss it a lot. Now all I sit in an office all day and fill out MS Excel spreadsheets as a respectable engineer.

I'm starting to look for a job that will get me back out in the field and let me get my hands dirty.

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/10/2015 at 23:11

Careers built on using ones hands and brains cannot, typically, be outsourced to either China nor be automated by robots. That's just my $0.02 worth. But, then again, I'm drunk right now. But I'd say, do what you want. You're young (I think) and can always change your career path, unlike us old people.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Snuze: Needs another Swede
04/10/2015 at 23:22

Dude. Coming out of sales, I'm truly the definition of "looking for honest work". Trust me I get it.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
04/10/2015 at 23:23

I'm 25. Where's your cutoff? Lol

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 00:00

Whoa whoa whoa, what a change of events I missed. A salesman wanting to move towards labor? Has this always been on your mind?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
04/11/2015 at 00:02

It's been there in the back somewhere. My labor jobs were the only ones I actually enjoyed. I just wasn't making money.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 00:08

Same! I made jack shit but I was in the best shape of my life, it was pretty tightly knit group, and the hours were set and precise. But the work was dangerous, the pay sucked, and it was a complete dead end.

I now make much much much more, but I tell you, I really hate working with people sometimes. This week was hell. There are so many unpleasant people out there. Not incidentally, they also tend to have all the money. *sigh*

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 00:13

Please let me recommend some relevant reading material:

http://smile.amazon.com/Shop-Class-Sou…

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
04/11/2015 at 00:21

That sounds amazinh!

noise > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 00:37

Make sure you get something to show for it though.

Go to trainings, learn other skills, get certificates.

Otherwise you turn 45, your back gets bad, and you have no options

or the shop closes and none will pick you up cause they won't take the shop managers word that your good at what you do

cornerslide > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 01:11

Unfortunately America looks at things a bit differently these days. Manufacturing we do is so greatly reduced over the last 50 years that we forget where we came from. These days providing a service without getting your hands dirty is looked upon positively. While actually providing that service is like the Wizard of Oz. No one wants to see the man behind the curtain. Don't let it deter you. The service is being provided and it's still valuable.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 02:03

I believe it. The man makes a compelling case.

And while I'm at it, let me wish you the best. All the while I've been on Oppo, you've been a good soul.

Axial > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 02:04

You should go look up Mike Rowe on TED Talks. Your dad's line of logic is archaic and flawed.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > cornerslide
04/11/2015 at 03:25

Well put.

orcim > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 04:15

"You're young." There is no cutoff. It's just what you want to [really] do. I've changed my career 7 times in the last 2 decades. Go figure.

Guess what - if you don't like the wheel thing, then you can always go back to sales. Anyone that puts that into a win-lose situation is being silly. It's all win.

orcim > noise
04/11/2015 at 04:19

Really - 55, in the field, and getting shit done. Hard? Yes. Not possible - not even on a bet.

I do take care to manage the back and knees, though. I don't ignore pains, I see people to handle things that come up and I stay active overall.

In the end, all I have are options. Gotta wonder what planet you're talking about where they go away (disclosure: I know what planet you're on, I just don't agree with it.)

Squid > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 05:10

Constant work supply, skilled work, getting to play with metal, learning some about metallurgy. All sound like pluses. As long as you have fun working with your hands and won't be taking a pay cut you should be good. You can be much happier in blue collar work than white collar work. Plus side is no paper work and no fucking shitty customers for you to waste hours trying to get a $20 commission out of the sale of a car.

Dean Beyer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/11/2015 at 11:40

The beautiful part is if it doesn't work out you can always go back to sales.

noise > orcim
04/11/2015 at 11:55

Oh no, i know you can do it, and I know you can have options.

I'm just saying, i'd hate to se OP need a change and not be able to capitalize on his experience, and i want to make sure he keeps that in mind.

One of my best friends is a machinist at his family's tool and die shop, third generation. He's a fucking artist, kid is amazing, a machining prodigy, but he has nothing. He didn't go to school, he didn't join a union and get any certs, he never did a formal apprenticeship , nothing. So if his dad's shop goes under which it always seems to be on the verge of, unless someone is familiar with his work or gives him a shot to show off he's boned. Or at least no better off than someone just out of trade school or some schmuck with the same years under his belt but no skill.

i just don;t like people's work and dedication going unrecognized because the people who do hiring are generally fuckwits

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
04/11/2015 at 18:41

Thank you brother. I appreciate that.

orcim > noise
04/12/2015 at 02:54

Hey - I'm the first to agree with that sentiment. I've hired non-degreed people based on my past impressions of them and only gotten superior performance from them (but I *knew* them...)

The society coming up is not going to be resume based, it's going to be portfolio based. (This is *my* thing.) A degree from a XYZ school isn't going mean what it used to mean, homeschooling/un-schooling will start to be recognized as valuable not because of what it is, but because the portfolio of work demonstrates that you are valuable top the hiring people.

Initially I riffed on the "45 and no options" of your original comment. I'm a living example of something other than that option. But I get the original intent you've outlined where if you can't present yourself as *valuable* to the new way of how hiring managers are looking at things, you're boned.

E92M3 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/15/2015 at 19:42

Your dad needs to read this book.

Kinja'd!!!

l3t5hav3s3cks > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/20/2015 at 21:06

good luck! dont let people bring u down